Reasons For Optimism

[Spooky]

To steal a line from Ian Dury, "Reasons to be cheerful part 3"

1. The pitch is looking great
2. We have a new team (almost)
3. Only 1 team gets relegated next season

It's a new season, a new start for everyone, so lets enjoy it whilst we can, and (hopefully) some new instruments for the Yeltz Band to keep the spirits high.

What more could we ask for, before a league game has kicked off

[Poll]

Well that turned out exactly as expected.

Blimey, I’m bored of these same old arguments already, and we haven’t even started the season yet.

Despite all that, I’m still looking forward to a day out in Workington. Hopefully see some of you there.

[andy]

There is no wrong or right attitude. A fan can be positive or negative if they can back it up with reasoned arguments. It's perfectly acceptable either way, as long as you don't resort to verbally abusing and threatening those who disagree with your view...which is the case in some situations (not on this forum).

I've been there and done that in terms of being optimistic for the new season, it only ever comes back and bites you on the arse. I have a very pessimistic attitude of 'if you don't expect much, you won't be left disappointed'.

I tend not to judge pre-season friendlies for a number of reasons. Firstly the level of opposition we play isn't conducive to judging players that will need to be competitive against much better opposition when the league campaign rolls around. Secondly friendlies are used for regaining match fitness after the break and for experimenting with varying formations and viewing trialists. Although IMO we seem to view more trialists than I'd like. I'd like to see us have a settled squad playing a certain formation / tactic for a number of games so we can hit the ground running when the season starts.

As I've said in previous posts on this thread, I'm encouraged from what people are saying about our home performances. People whose opinions I value tell me that the football we played has actually been very good. Long may this continue. I'm looking forward to seeing if this remains the case in our league campaign.

As for the change Yeltz 27 refers to, we know John Hill is un-sackable, so there is little or no point for calling for that change, is there? It's not happening. We just have to accept it. I suppose it's a new season, a new start, and the management team need time to prove they can change the poor performances we've seen over the past two years or so.

My personal feeling is 'things won't change' in terms of performances and results,I hope I'm wrong and that the good football supposedly seen at home games is the start of a positive season. I just can't see it on the basis of the previous two seasons and what I've seen my self in pre-season. Let's hope I'm eating humble pie come April.

Apologies if the above attitude is construed as negative, but as Andy said above the back end of last year was bad and it doesn't inspire optimism. It's now up to the team to give me reason to be positive with firstly results and secondly performances that make me want to watch Halesowen Town FC.

Fair points made. I don't want to see you eating humble pie, I would love it that we were so good you were won over. If we tried to play football the right way but still under JH would you consider a return to the Grove?

[andy]

Well that turned out exactly as expected.

Blimey, I’m bored of these same old arguments already, and we haven’t even started the season yet.

Despite all that, I’m still looking forward to a day out in Workington. Hopefully see some of you there.

Hope you have a great day out in Workington mate (if such a thing exists ). Things down this end are not as bad as the forum may be indicating. New season, renewed optimism, lets hope it lasts.

[AwayDayYeltz]

There is no wrong or right attitude. A fan can be positive or negative if they can back it up with reasoned arguments. It's perfectly acceptable either way, as long as you don't resort to verbally abusing and threatening those who disagree with your view...which is the case in some situations (not on this forum).

I've been there and done that in terms of being optimistic for the new season, it only ever comes back and bites you on the arse. I have a very pessimistic attitude of 'if you don't expect much, you won't be left disappointed'.

I tend not to judge pre-season friendlies for a number of reasons. Firstly the level of opposition we play isn't conducive to judging players that will need to be competitive against much better opposition when the league campaign rolls around. Secondly friendlies are used for regaining match fitness after the break and for experimenting with varying formations and viewing trialists. Although IMO we seem to view more trialists than I'd like. I'd like to see us have a settled squad playing a certain formation / tactic for a number of games so we can hit the ground running when the season starts.

As I've said in previous posts on this thread, I'm encouraged from what people are saying about our home performances. People whose opinions I value tell me that the football we played has actually been very good. Long may this continue. I'm looking forward to seeing if this remains the case in our league campaign.

As for the change Yeltz 27 refers to, we know John Hill is un-sackable, so there is little or no point for calling for that change, is there? It's not happening. We just have to accept it. I suppose it's a new season, a new start, and the management team need time to prove they can change the poor performances we've seen over the past two years or so.

My personal feeling is 'things won't change' in terms of performances and results,I hope I'm wrong and that the good football supposedly seen at home games is the start of a positive season. I just can't see it on the basis of the previous two seasons and what I've seen my self in pre-season. Let's hope I'm eating humble pie come April.

Apologies if the above attitude is construed as negative, but as Andy said above the back end of last year was bad and it doesn't inspire optimism. It's now up to the team to give me reason to be positive with firstly results and secondly performances that make me want to watch Halesowen Town FC.

Fair points made. I don't want to see you eating humble pie, I would love it that we were so good you were won over. If we tried to play football the right way but still under JH would you consider a return to the Grove?

To be honest it's not about the standard of football. The issues at the club run far deeper than that. I can stomach & pay to watch dire, boring and negative football(which hopefully changes this season), as I want to follow the club regardless of what's served up on this pitch. That's part of supporting a football club. Which I will still do, away from home.

It's matters off the field that have stopped me going first and foremost. I can't / refuse to put a single penny of my money into the club after what various members of the club have said about and to me, If that attitude and unacceptable behavior changes then I'd consider a return. I hope it does change, as right now the Grove isn't a nice place to watch football.

Unfortunately I get the impression that certain folk have singled me out as the only person to criticise the club and have really gone for me. Petty.

I want a successful & friendly Halesowen Town FC, right now we're a long way from that.

[andy]

Understand that. Not being part of any of the social media sites I miss out on most of what goes on. Its understandable that if that is still going on you would not want to attend or spend your money here. The real shame though is it is YOU who ends up missing out.

[AwayDayYeltz]

The real shame though is it is YOU who ends up missing out.

The Welsh man has said the exact same thing to me, it's a good point.

[Yeltz27]

Well I don't agree with you. So get over it. Hill should get 10 to 12 matches with a stable behind the scenes and a decent p*t*h (don't bore me with the it's the same for both sides, it is, and this year it'll be a better p*t*h). Oh and a decent budget. The change that needed to happen has almost happened IMH 27 years of supporting O. And that started July 1st. If it goes tits up this season (you've usually got an idea after 10 to 12 league matches and hopefully some cup games) then I see no reason why the club wouldn't consider a change of manager. But on the flip side they need to back him if it goes really well (not sure what should happen if we're midtable by then )

Look back since 2011 and look at when he had a decent behind the scenes, budget and to a lesser degree better p*t*h. Oh yeah, he won the league (below I know before you bore everyone with that).

By the way, before more unneccesary inner circle comments are made, I'm feck all to do with the clubs running etc.
Luckily I don't think this forum is viewed as much as before, mainly down to it's content on offer. But if it was viewed by the masses, it doesn't paint us all well. If you think all that about the club and the people involved, have you thought of contacting Karen Brookes and seeing what she'd say about it all? She's very open (I went to the forum) and seems approachable. Or alternatively just give up on the club.

How's that giving the manager 10 games going? According to you, I'm wrong on the abuse, I'm wrong on the manager, I'm wrong on everything. Yet, look at what the reality is

[HalesowenHarry]

Good quoting. You're wrong on the tweet. Was the point.

Besides if Steve Lynch didn't still own the club my quoted response would be almost correct. The reality as you put it is Lynch (whichever one) still holds the keys to the club so my sometime ago quote can't be carried out i.e. sacked managers, sacked club officials blah blah blah.
I didn't mention you being wrong on these points but you're rarely constructive and as intelligent as they are (and you must be comparatively to most posts) you're often just slagging someone off without naming names. Feel free to have a go at me. My dad's bigger than yours!

If Lynch went (unlikely) and the manager went (that goes with the first point) then would you then want all the officials to change as well and who would run the club? I ain't got the time and I imagine you'll suggest no one. So we're kind of stuck aren't we? Liquidate us and we're all left with nothing. Which I don't want. But alas it's not down to me (thankfully) or you (although sometimes you and Raiden appear to have been made martyrs). It's down to one seemingly stubborn bloke. How do you deal with that?