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[Yeltz7]

We didn't have a football club that long ago,How the club has recovered is a major miracle to me,this manager was part of the amazing league win a few years ago,people should remember that,few bad results with a limited budget people shouldn't go over the top.

[HalesowenHarry]

Interesting how much shit Nigel Pitt got as owner through all the highs and lows of his 10-15 years. Yet no one criticises the current owner. Just the manager. Bizarre. I'll say it again, if this manager goes like it seems 4 or 5 want this club is going to get a lot worse than a 4-0 drubbing at Marine. Suppose we've got a hugely successful businessman to fall back on though so we'll be fine

[Yeltz27]

Interesting how much sh*t Nigel Pitt got as owner through all the highs and lows of his 10-15 years. Yet no one criticises the current owner. Just the manager. Bizarre. I'll say it again, if this manager goes like it seems 4 or 5 want this club is going to get a lot worse than a 4-0 drubbing at Marine. Suppose we've got a hugely successful businessman to fall back on though so we'll be fine

You really think it's only 4-5 who want him to go? I'd say it's the opposite and only 4-5 want him to stay now.

I used to say about the Villa when Martin O Neill was in charge and people used to criticise, 'be careful what you wish for', but this and that are in no way comparable. That term doesn't apply to this situation anymore

[HalesowenHarry]

And yet another post goes by and the owner issue is completely ignored........amazing.

[Yeltz27]

And yet another post goes by and the owner issue is completely ignored........amazing.

If you remember correctly I went after the owner on this forum pretty hard in February this year and he went back at me pretty hard too. So it's not being ignored. He should be sacking the manager tomorrow and getting a proper board who know something about football

[yeltz85]

Last two games against Frickley and Marine. Bottom
Half of the table.

Next four games, Grantham, Coalville, Sutton Coldfield and Corby. Fail to win a few of those and we will well and truly be down there.

Stokes is right, we just don't have a 'squad'.

[KenR]

Stokes may be right that we just do not have a squad but i'll point out that we just don't have a manager who seems capable of being able to uttilise what we've got and, remember, he signed them. Also to be totally reliant on loan signings for a club of our stature , is in my opinion , not acceptable." Be careful what you wish for? " well in my view unless you take the chance , you'll never know. What i do think , is that John Hill could be bettered and far more attractive football would be produced even if it did end in defeat, we would be no worse off than the pathetic football that we have endured in his reign. People seem to be over consumed by the fact, that under him we won the league but lets not forget , that the style of play was not good , and we got carried away by an unbeaten string of results when far more attractive sides, Belper for one, fell by the wayside, and we crept in by the backdoor. SACK john Hill and and Matt Clarke and appoint NICK AMOSS and Neil MCKENZIE as joint managers, would be my solution. At least I think would achieve attacking and attractive football.
As for the LYNCHPIN, I don't really know what to say. He rescued us from the Igr...s when no-one else seemed interested in buying the club and three or four years on, the club is still going. What I will say that if Lynchpin had n't taken over our club, we would have faded into the oblivion and depths of the lower to parks standard leagues , and not having the financial clout or gates of say a Hereford or Utd of Manchester or even the potential gates of Bromsgrove Sporting to raise monies and attract the better players, we would still be languishing in the lower divisions or even worst, gone under.
So you lot of in JOHN HILL we trust advocants , I suggest you digest what I've said for after all , I have been involved in non-league football and HTFC in particular, longer than the lot of you, and are far more qualified to speak that most of you. I am one of the "old school" who have been castigated by the "elite few" ,for our observances over the last three years or so , but it's funny how some are now coming around to our classes' way of thinking or just keep quite. In John Hill, I don't trust and really never have.

[Johnny Bud]

Reading back through this thread a lot of good points have been made.

I have to be honest and say I'm undecided as to whether changing the manager would improve things.

If we did change manager I'm with Ken that Nick Amos would be a great choice. However, would simply changing the manager give us a pitch on which to play good football? I imagine (and I'm no expert on pitch maintenance) that to make our pitch perfect (like Nantwich's for example) it would cost at least 5 figures. If this comes out the playing budget will it affect us detrimentally on the pitch?

As Harry says, we do have to be careful what we wish for as a new manager would undoubtedly equal a massive change in players and if they don't gel results could get worse (until recently we'd been on a good run). And where will the money come from for these players?

If we continue dropping points Steve has a big decision but as far as I'm aware he has little or no intention of changing managers willy nilly.

What concerns me most is this apparent divide between fans. In the bad old days- however bad it got- the atmosphere at away games was still good and it was enjoyable to watch and cheer on the Yeltz. Listening to Raiden yesterday was reminiscent of the friend the Yoof bought to Banbury who Zee Zee and Scouse had to sit on, on the coach on the way back!

Anyway that's my point of view so I wait the hammering I get for it..

[RaidenYeltz]

Craig, you're right. I'm entitled to an opinion. The amount of money I put into, whilst not substantial, is probably more than most fans, so I'd like to think my comments are at least valid.

You're also right in what you say regarding 'once players cross the line, John doesn't have an impact'. Quite right. But he seems to take credit when loan players (Thanks Matt) have a positive impact. So why shouldn't he take the rough?

I think it's fair to say that but for Matt's contacts and signings, John wouldn't be in a job right now.

As good as Matt's signings have been, should we be so reliant on loan signings? How can we progress with constant short term loans?

Yesterday's result wasn't a one off was it? This performance has been typical of us of late. Save for the odd good performance (Workington at home) this is the norm, so yes. We need to ask John questions. To simply flag this or other poor results as a one off or even blaming the players isn't washing with me. Or a lot of fans.

For me the squad is good enough. I, along with many, (it's not just 4 or 5 as is suggested above, it's a lot, lot more), have questioned the tactics and selections. 4-5-1 or 3-5-2 do not work. I wish John would stop using these.

To blame players for the last 18 months worth of poor performances isn't accurate.

We've got bloody good players at our disposal. And it's simply put in a naff analogy that I've used else where; John Hill has a Ferrari. He has an open road to go and blast the Ferrari how ever fast he wants. Yet he's content at going 30mph. It's a waste.

I'm sick of hearing the squad isn't good enough. It is. It's certainly better than two defeats in succession against Frickley and Marine.

Take Stourbr*dge away for example. We raced to a 2-0 lead. Gary Hacket saw Stourbr*dge weren't set up right and changed it (remember them taking off Hull and changing formation?) in that particular occasion John didn't react (couldn't?, didn't know how?) and we ended up throwing away a 2 goal lead. Again we blamed the ref and whoever else but ourselves, didn't we?

Anyway, that's not the point I'm making, can you see us, under John, reversing such a deficit and holding onto it to get a positive result? I can't. That's not me being personal it's me being honest and realistic.

Back to the football, as I've said previously (in separate threads) I like 3-5-2 as a formation when you've got the correct players, namely wing backs, but we haven't. So for gods sake stop trying it. Why change from 4-4-2? We have a shortage of defenders, accepted, but why go to a formation that essentially requires 5 defenders?

Dropping Platt (unless injured?) was a cop out. All I see and read (via Twitter) is John Hill making excuses. It's always the refs fault or so called individual errors (isn't every goal up and down the country subject to an individual error?). I'm sorry, but frankly Platt has been made a scapegoat by John who simply can not accept (or at least publicly doesn't) that maybe the poor run of performance and results (over 18 months now) is down to him. Let's not forget all the points Platt has previously saved.

Frankly from my point of view, early this season all our tactic was, was to smash the ball forward to Anderson and hope he can magic a goal out of nowhere then rely on Platt to keep the opposition out.

To turn on Platt like John has, or seemingly has, is very, very harsh. This a keeper who is more than capable of making it a league or two above our current level.

If I'm wrong and Platt has dropped in form then ask why? Who's coaching him? Have we coached his class out of him? I feel that's a genuine question that needs to be asked.

When I go to games now I almost expect us to lose. I question how much. I don't expect us to win. Who's fault is that? I can't be the only fan to think like that. We're just so negative.

On the subject of negativity, there is a negative feel about the club and as craig previously mentioned there's definite fractions in the club.

There's the fans who see it how it is,that criticise. And then there's the holier than thou group (don't know how else to put that) that go to every game and seemingly don't allow any criticism of the club or manager. That's how I feel ATM. If you don't go to every single game then people look down on you as if you don't belong at the club.

It even got to the point where I was questioned 'what are you doing here!'. After my 5th away game out the possible 10 at the time (not too bad), but it's irrelevant how many games you got to. However that attitude has to change. It's rubbing a lot of people up the wrong way.

Whether I'm right or whether I'm going off on one, the long and short of it is we've got different fractions pulling apart. How, as a club, can we move forward with this scenario? It pisses me off, frankly. We all want the same thing, Yeltz success.

Stokesey has just hit the nail on the head, where's the atmosphere? Well it's not there because we're all bored. And we know there's nothing we can do about it.

In relation to my criticism of John, yes, I do expect a response from him. I expect a well written response that deals with issues I've pointed out. He is the manager of Halesowen Town FC. This is a great club. It is not a Sunday league club which is the impression I get at time.

What I do not expect of the manager of this great club, is to be threatened. I, as you can probably tell by the gist of this post, am not a fan of John, but I've never been personal I've never crossed a line. I feel I've always criticised within reason and constructively.

I don't expect a personal tirade. I get the feeling that John has singled me out as the only fan that ever criticises him. I don't know why. But if he feels happy doing that and sugar coating the real issues, then fine. I'm big and ugly enough to deal with a one line tweet here and now. (It's not the first time he's reacted). It's water off a ducks back, I've got more issues to care about, like the future of this club.

The prevailing opinion is that John has acted childish in relation to criticism. The video with the excellent Yeltz TV touched on it, and asked the question 'how do you deal with critics'. He shrugged it off at the time. I get the impression that John simply can't take criticism. Or deal with his critics.

With regards to the 'owner', Steve should be answering questions too. I'm sick of hearing about budgets. We're constantly up there in terms of attendance, so where's the money? (If it's not being supplied). However as I've previously stated the squad is there.

What's happening to the pitch? Why is such a mess, again? Why aren't lessons being learnt?

I think Andy hit the nail on the head above, we were better off 7/8 years ago. At least we had hope or the chance to make a change. Now we're subjected to frankly shit. We can't change it. As I think has already been stated Steve will not change manager, regardless.

We just have to sit and wait for it implode then pick up the pieces. Tbh roll on the aftermath of when it does implode.

As for your comment about times I attend, it's surely up to me when I turn up and leave, that has nothing to do with anything. (However anyone who wishes to do so, can DM via social media, I may be a wolly but I'm not hiding).

In terms of the Grove there's better alternatives than the rubbish JG lounge for beer. Namely the King Edward. They know how to keep a good beer. If you want fans to drink before and after the game then do something about it.

I have no reason to turn up early or stay after the game.

I left at HT yesterday, again ask why? In over 20 years of attending football that's the first time I've left at HT.

I'm sick and tired of being subjected to this 'football'. I simply can't take it any more.

I'm sick and tired of being told I'm wrong. Am I? I'm constantly told by some that 'I chat shit on here'. Yet for every one person that says that, I get at least two people that say 'keep posting, you're spot on'.

Whatever you think, clearly something isn't right.

I'm already thinking of next year, and whether to renew my season ticket. And to be honest the answer is 'not if things don't change'. And that's ultimately the opinion of quite a few fans I speak to. Not just me. How I feel right now, I loathe to put any more money into the club.

We, as a club, under the stewardship of Steve Lynch and John Hill are not moving forward. If anything we're going backwards. I don't think that's arguable.

But it's fine. Let's just paper over the crack and pretend everything is ok, it's just bad luck or the refs fault. Attendances will continue to fall and performance / results will worsen. But that's fine when your head is buried in the sand.

Change is needed. Not just on the pitch.
As it stands we're losing fans and money. That's hurting us.

[gingeryeltz]

raiden ......I stand nose to nose..........only a cock gets aggressive,
Have we got the new Cantona in Raiden, in our midst ?

More like the new Chris Davis I would say.