Another home match?

[RaidenYeltz]

Daz you're spot on. A manager has a squad and it's his job to pick the best 11 players that give you the best team. Unfortunately for Lait, who I think we can all agree is a good and creative player, he didn't have a place in that team.

At the time 3-5-2 was a successful formation for us. It worked as we had two excellent full backs in Griff and Green (352 can only work if you have two very good full backs). If we'd have put Lait out wide, it wouldn't have been effective.

Also, to suggest building a team around Lait, I don't agree with. I don't agree with building a team around a single player, anyway. Least of all one who is injury prone.

[Yeltz27]

Daz you're spot on. A manager has a squad and it's his job to pick the best 11 players that give you the best team. Unfortunately for Lait, who I think we can all agree is a good and creative player, he didn't have a place in that team.

At the time 3-5-2 was a successful formation for us. It worked as we had two excellent full backs in Griff and Green (352 can only work if you have two very good full backs). If we'd have put Lait out wide, it wouldn't have been effective.

Also, to suggest building a team around Lait, I don't agree with. I don't agree with building a team around a single player, anyway. Least of all one who is injury prone.

Sorry, building a team around was the wrong phrase. But he should have at least been in the team

[dazzlingdazza]

Daz you're spot on. A manager has a squad and it's his job to pick the best 11 players that give you the best team. Unfortunately for Lait, who I think we can all agree is a good and creative player, he didn't have a place in that team.

At the time 3-5-2 was a successful formation for us. It worked as we had two excellent full backs in Griff and Green (352 can only work if you have two very good full backs). If we'd have put Lait out wide, it wouldn't have been effective.

Also, to suggest building a team around Lait, I don't agree with. I don't agree with building a team around a single player, anyway. Least of all one who is injury prone.

Sorry, building a team around was the wrong phrase. But he should have at least been in the team

As I've explained how could he have got into the team ? If the 11 on the pitch under a new system 352 or 532 with wing backs without Chris Lait were winning loads and playing well as a team, when we played 4 4 2 WITH Lait in the team we were losing, Lait was playing well but the team weren't ! If we had of kept Chris Lait kept playing him and stayed 4 4 2 then we would have been in a serious relegation scrap, so credit to John Hill for changing it and pulling us away from the dreaded drop and not far off the play offs !


Jean Sebastian Veron was a superb player, but Manchester United didn't have a position for him.
Chris Lait is a good player, the system we played last season there wasn't a place for him in the formation John Hill chose.
Comprendez ?

[the phys]

Hi guys,

Having spoke with John about this thread he would like to invite Yeltz27 to training one night (Tuesday or Thursday's) or after a Saturday home game for a chat. Given the concerns you have I think it would be a good idea for you to meet with John and his staff to discuss things like players, formations, tactics, money, the pitch etc.

Please PM/DM me on here to arrange the time for the meeting, look forward to hearing from you!

#uptheyeltz

[lutleyyeltz]

No criticism of the groundsman, but the pitch is poor. An opinion voiced, unfairly or not, by many visiting managers. It is difficult to play passing football on it.
In a conversation with a well known member of the "hard core" fan base, Kristian Green gave it as one of the main reasons for his defection to " the dark side." I'm also assured, from the same source that, contrary to popular myth, money was not a factor in his wanting away. Make of that what you will.
Off thread, yes, but maybe it sheds some light on why we play the way we do and why decent players want to leave.

[RobYeltz]

No more debate, Raiden!

This was a thread on attendances and the cynics have decided to use the poor crowd on Saturday to support their own moany agenda.

Let's put the emphasis on getting a good crowd down the Grove for Saturday, where we have a very good chance of getting three points!

I'm sorry but this is not fair. People have legitimate concerns about the attendances and raised them. They are entitled to an opinion.

On another point. Dazzlingdazza, last night it was you who raised Griffiths so I asked a perfectly reasonable question in reply and got told I was a waste of time. As somebody who would happily help the club and have done so in the past, I so far haven't and won't be joining the FOTGSA, or attending any of their events until I see their main members treating people with the respect and consideration they deserve. And i mean everybody, not just those who agree with them. The way I have been hounded on here, and seeing people being called "twats" on social media for not turning up to the forum for example was a disgrace. A main member of a supporters association should not be doing that. I wonder why those people didn't turn up? It's an intimidating atmosphere and even though you say "everybody is welcome", it appears this is not the case if you don't agree with the majority. If me not joining means I am not supporting the club in your eyes, so be it, but out of principle I won't consider joining until things change drastically. And I know a few who feel the same.

This will be my final comment on this thread, the reason Yeltz27 has commented about the 'twats' comment was a tweet that I made on my own personal account - (not the FOTG) where I commented about the whingers not going to the fans forum to ask the questions if things were so bad where I used the word 'twat'. If that is enough to make you not join FOTG that is your right and that is your choice.

I do take exception to the comment though about treating people with respect and consideration, I have said this to you privately and will say it on here, I personally do not care for anyone's individual viewpoint we all have our viewpoints and opinions and you as well as others of course are fully entitled to them. I speak with many, many fans on match days and on social media and I don't agree with all of them, and I'm sure they don't agree with me. I can live with that, I can appreciate that, it wouldn't do for us all to be the same. All I am interested in is doing the best i can for the football club I have grown to love. Do I get everything right? No i don't, but i do the best I can with the time constraints I have. I know I'm not everyone's cup of tea and by running the supporters group I've put myself up there to be shot at. I'm sorry you feel that myself and the people who have volunteered their time have at times maybe let their passion for the club possibly get near or cross the line at times (in your opinion) but when you put the time and effort into things that we do and feel that all people can do is pick fault maybe you can excuse our frustration.

The FOTG monthly draw and supporters association has been modestly successful, could it have been better, yes of course it could and I've always been (and will continue to do) keen to see it grow and improve further. Yes I do want your thoughts and opinions and yes i do want people involved and contributing, irrespective of your thoughts on the team, the manager, the style of player, the pitch, the owner, or whatever. Not getting involved in it is your prerogative as it is others. For the record it isn't for just my mates who are in the draw, I stand most games with a number of folk who aren't in it and I understand and value their choice not to be in it.

Just a final thought, If the FOTG draw had 100 fans paying £10 per month that would generate £12,000 a year, of which £6,000 can be spent on the ground, the facilities, the pitch or whatever needed doing. This means John Hill might get a few more quid to have in his budget for better players on a better pitch...

If anyone would like to speak to me about anything above feel free to drop me an email/text/message or see me at the games. I'd like to think i'm approachable and respectful enough to people to give them time for a chat. I'm usually there from midday on match day until around 5:30pm too.

[Sccmkcyr]

The pitch isn't great but it's a lot better than last season and will be better again next season and so on.
A pitch takes a while to improve unless you have 20k to throw at it.
I know exactly what Green was on with us and I know what the offer to keep him with us and what he got from them to go and if your think it wasn't for the money then your mistaken.
Tonks shook my hand and said and I quote "there's no f@*king way I'm going to them I'm here next season" then they offered him more money and he was gone they didn't mention the pitch at all then!
I don't normally comment on players as I like Tonks and Green but if they had left for the same money or less and said it was the pitch then fair enough but to use it as a reason when it was clearly about money then that's just rubbish.

[Yeltz27]

Rob, thank you for taking the time to reply.

My frustrations are not just to do with your Twitter comment. It's to do with how I've been treated on here for well over a year. People aren't willing to accept the idea that quite a few people don't want John Hill as manager and so revert to ridiculously defensive measures. You might well be open to people's ideas, but there are a lot on here who aren't. When dazzlingdazza said this afternoon that you are all behind the manager and will back him against those who don't like him, what makes anybody think that the club is any more theirs than those who don't want John Hill? It's a forum for opinion. I don't criticise any of you for backing John Hill, I'm just saying I'd prefer somebody else. No insults needed. If those insults were to stop, then maybe I'd consider changing my mind.

And even though you might take offence at my respect and consideration comment, it's fair to say I've been shown little if any at all on this forum.

[dazzlingdazza]

Rob, thank you for taking the time to reply.

My frustrations are not just to do with your Twitter comment. It's to do with how I've been treated on here for well over a year. People aren't willing to accept the idea that quite a few people don't want John Hill as manager and so revert to ridiculously defensive measures. You might well be open to people's ideas, but there are a lot on here who aren't. When dazzlingdazza said this afternoon that you are all behind the manager and will back him against those who don't like him, what makes anybody think that the club is any more theirs than those who don't want John Hill? It's a forum for opinion. I don't criticise any of you for backing John Hill, I'm just saying I'd prefer somebody else. No insults needed. If those insults were to stop, then maybe I'd consider changing my mind.

And even though you might take offence at my respect and consideration comment, it's fair to say I've been shown little if any at all on this forum.

And how about replying to "The Phys" ?

[RaidenYeltz]

Hi guys,

Having spoke with John about this thread he would like to invite Yeltz27 to training one night (Tuesday or Thursday's) or after a Saturday home game for a chat. Given the concerns you have I think it would be a good idea for you to meet with John and his staff to discuss things like players, formations, tactics, money, the pitch etc.

Please PM/DM me on here to arrange the time for the meeting, look forward to hearing from you!

#uptheyeltz

Good opportunity, Yeltz 27.