Season Tickets 2014/15

[RaidenYeltz]

How many season tickets have we sold?

[ddsa2787]

Afternoon all,

As a part-time Yeltz fan I thought I would see where people stood now on the whole "Price of football situation"?

There is no doubt the cost of football is always going to rise, however why is it now ok for a football fan to pay more to watch a non-league team then it is too watch the likes of Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Borussia Dortmund and Inter Milan.

I believe the rising cost of admission will eventually result in a decline in attendance. The non-league day that was done earlier this season was surely the best promotional stunt they could have done to boast numbers, £5 ticket prices are surely feasible if the attendance is higher?

I know the club have a duty to charge a minimum for the league there in, but i would of thought that lower prices attract a bigger crowd so what are they achieving from increasing it?

Also can I ask about the clubs finances too, a lot of the Yeltz faithful will believe the costs go directly to new bright shining stars that will take the club to bigger and better things. However does anybody actually know what percentage of ticket sales etc actually go to the club and how it is broken down. Maybe if people knew where there money was going exactly people would be more inclined to get involved and help out?

[RaidenYeltz]

1. The teams you list (other than Inter) average well into 70,000's attendances wise - Dortmund have 80,000 plus average attendance.

2. They have investors worth multi millions of pounds.

3. They have sponsorship deals worth millions of pounds.

4. Champions League money.

5. The biggie - TV Deals.

I reckon that's a part of the reason why said teams can offer 'cheap' tickets...

When you analyse non-league prices you have to realise that there's no TV money to pay out wages and other expenses. Every penny taken in from ticket prices is valued and needed.

Realistically if the top sides shut their doors to fans, they'd survive with ease - that is the difference.

[yeltz85]

Afternoon all,

As a part-time Yeltz fan I thought I would see where people stood now on the whole "Price of football situation"?

There is no doubt the cost of football is always going to rise, however why is it now ok for a football fan to pay more to watch a non-league team then it is too watch the likes of Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Borussia Dortmund and Inter Milan.

I believe the rising cost of admission will eventually result in a decline in attendance. The non-league day that was done earlier this season was surely the best promotional stunt they could have done to boast numbers, £5 ticket prices are surely feasible if the attendance is higher?

I know the club have a duty to charge a minimum for the league there in, but i would of thought that lower prices attract a bigger crowd so what are they achieving from increasing it?

Also can I ask about the clubs finances too, a lot of the Yeltz faithful will believe the costs go directly to new bright shining stars that will take the club to bigger and better things. However does anybody actually know what percentage of ticket sales etc actually go to the club and how it is broken down. Maybe if people knew where there money was going exactly people would be more inclined to get involved and help out?

You can still buy a half season ticket, 12 games for the price of 10. So that's £8.33 a game for an Adult.

Or alternatively at the start of the season an early bird season ticket at £170 would have worked out at an average £7.39.

Non league day was especially high due to no football league/premiership games hence the much bigger crowd. Credit also goes to a few individuals/(volunteers) who pushed to promote the day within the club and all the fans who helped promote it via social media.

The financial upkeep at The Grove before even paying any players is a lot to maintain. So I assume thats where most of the money goes. If you were to decrease prices I doubt you would get the relative increase in attendance.

[yeltz85]

Ive attached a quote from the Bayern President, they charge lower prices for their fans as they can afford to do so. Most Non League teams can't do the same.

[RobYeltz]

Afternoon all,

As a part-time Yeltz fan I thought I would see where people stood now on the whole "Price of football situation"?

There is no doubt the cost of football is always going to rise, however why is it now ok for a football fan to pay more to watch a non-league team then it is too watch the likes of Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Borussia Dortmund and Inter Milan.

I believe the rising cost of admission will eventually result in a decline in attendance. The non-league day that was done earlier this season was surely the best promotional stunt they could have done to boast numbers, £5 ticket prices are surely feasible if the attendance is higher?

I know the club have a duty to charge a minimum for the league there in, but i would of thought that lower prices attract a bigger crowd so what are they achieving from increasing it?

Also can I ask about the clubs finances too, a lot of the Yeltz faithful will believe the costs go directly to new bright shining stars that will take the club to bigger and better things. However does anybody actually know what percentage of ticket sales etc actually go to the club and how it is broken down. Maybe if people knew where there money was going exactly people would be more inclined to get involved and help out?

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I've been going to Halesowen for 2 years now almost and know a reasonable amount about the club as I've been keen to get involved. I'm sure if any other fan has an inclination to get involved the football club would snap their hands off. I doubt anyone from the club would be prepared to put figures on here but there are a few things i'd like to comment on.

The big difference between comparing the likes of Dortmund, Milan and Barcelona is they have an obscene amount of money come in from the tv companies. Halesowen Town's income comes from modest gates of 300/350, a handful of season ticket holders, a few shirts sold (usually at the start of the season) and the revenue from the bar that is open only on Match Days. Of course there is also a good deal of revenue raised through sponsorship and donations. Halesowen Town, unfortunately isn't a 24/7 money making business, it's a community football club, run by a committed bunch of volunteers giving up many hours of their own time behind the scenes, a town remember where only 1-2% of the Towns population come to watch them play as many folk still travel to West Bromwich, Aston and Wolverhampton. I like the German model of football at the top level and puts our Premier League to shame. That said, the Bundesliga is not really any more competitive than our own greed league with only 3/4 teams ever likely to win the league.

Halesowen's £10 entry fee this season was a big jump, but many fans understand the reasons why. If the club is to compete against clubs in the same league then the expenditure will increase. Therefore income has to increase. Every away game this season I have paid a minimum of £8 up to £10. The difference is, I feel by contributing my admission money it is genuinely helping the football club move forwards. I know it isn't going into the pockets of greedy footballers who drive cars that are worth more than my house, nor their parasite agents.

By following Halesowen Town I actually feel as though my few quid is making a difference. I don't particularly want to know the exact ins/outs of the club if i'm honest, I trust the judgement of the people involved in setting the player budgets to do what is best for the football club. I'm if I asked members of the management committee they would tell what they could, if it what was appropriate.

I think it is important to remember as well, how much it costs to get Halesowen Town FC on the pitch before a ball is kicked. The pitch maintenance, paint, repairs, kit, insurances, entry fees to leagues. As well as the ongoing expenditure of player travel, repairs, player wages, stock purchases.

Lowering the admission on Non-League day is great, but even if the price to get in was the same the following week some folk will still chose to pay the inflated Premier League prices up the road. (Not having a knock at folk for that - each to their own)

At Halesowen, I feel I get good value for money. £10 for 90 minutes of watching the lads give their all for the club I feel is a better choice for me. (Or buy a season ticket and pay £7.40)

[ddsa2787]

Thanks for all the replies, im not having a dig at anyone or the club I just want to know more about how things are run at a lower level and how they compare to the high flyers. I am a big believer in grass roots football and i know how important non-league football is to keep this going. To many league clubs ruin the game by buying new upcoming talent for ridiculous prices and then letting them keep the bench warm.

However I do still believe that people that know where there money is going will be more inclined to part with it, not necessarily needing figures but an idea of how its spent. I think going towards maintenance costs is abit vague and most people wouldn’t bat an eyelid.

Ideally from this post I’d like to know what is being done to promote the club and how they plan to bring in new supporters/sponsorships?

Thanks all for the replies,

Much appreciated

[JohnC]

I will be co-starring in Summer Holiday peformed by the TAB Operatic. March 24th -28th 2015.

We have to charge £14-£15 per ticket to cover costs hire theatre, rehearsal rooms (7 mths), lighting, sound, props, costumes, rights, etc etc.

No one performing is paid.

People come because they want to see the show or the people in it.

They do not ask where the money goes.

[ddsa2787]

I will be co-starring in Summer Holiday peformed by the TAB Operatic. March 24th -28th 2015.

We have to charge £14-£15 per ticket to cover costs hire theatre, rehearsal rooms (7 mths), lighting, sound, props, costumes, rights, etc etc.

No one performing is paid.

People come because they want to see the show or the people in it.

They do not ask where the money goes.

Just a simple "I don’t know where my money goes" would of sufficed but appreciate it

[RobYeltz]

Thanks for all the replies, im not having a dig at anyone or the club I just want to know more about how things are run at a lower level and how they compare to the high flyers. I am a big believer in grass roots football and i know how important non-league football is to keep this going. To many league clubs ruin the game by buying new upcoming talent for ridiculous prices and then letting them keep the bench warm.

However I do still believe that people that know where there money is going will be more inclined to part with it, not necessarily needing figures but an idea of how its spent. I think going towards maintenance costs is abit vague and most people wouldn’t bat an eyelid.

Ideally from this post I’d like to know what is being done to promote the club and how they plan to bring in new supporters/sponsorships?

Thanks all for the replies,

Much appreciated

Have a perusal of the club website and you'll see the work the commercial guys have done in gaining additional sponsorship this season, things like match day and programme sponsorship are just two. Even as a 'part time Yeltz fan' you'll have noticed the extra advertising boards around the ground compared to previous seasons? How about the goalmouths that were dug up and replaced with sports turf?

As for regular outgoings, consider things like...

Player wages/expenses
Stock - Food/drink
Electric/water/gas bills
Footballs (How many do we lose every game at £20+ a go?)
Kit (Including getting it washed)
Travel -
Training costs (Remember if our pitch is being used by Causeway for a match we have to pay to train elsewhere)
Removal of waste.
Repairs/maintenance to the ground. Things like toilet rolls & cleaning materials

For the pitch alone you need - White line paint (The line marker was replaced in the summer) fertiliser, seed, top soil and petrol for the mowers. There are also the costs of repairs to the equipment or hire of specialist equipment. The fllodlights are Championshp standard, they're expensive to replace I would have thought.

To be honest, the list could go on forever of the outgoings. I'm sure there are things I've not considered. Personally, I think there are two types of fan at non-league. Those that rock up for a match and pay their money and watch the game and moan because the price has gone up a couple of quid and those can see that to run a football club it isn't just about what happens at 3pm on a Saturday.