Leek deducted 3 points

[HalesowenHarry]

Scandalous.

In effect Leek have been allowed to get away with fielding an illegible player.

Please tell us why its scandalous? They are punished for the game he played in. As the rules have always been in these cases. Fortunate for them that he didnt play in other games. And lets not forget why Eastwood aren't completing this season.

[Laurel Lane Lamper]

Scandalous.

In effect Leek have been allowed to get away with fielding an illegible player.

Please tell us why its scandalous? They are punished for the game he played in. As the rules have always been in these cases. Fortunate for them that he didnt play in other games. And lets not forget why Eastwood aren't completing this season.

Exactly!

[RaidenYeltz]

Presumably the decision was made in the knowledge that Eastwood results won't ultimately stand so Leek won't have 3 points to lose, in effect. How is it not getting away with it?

[Belpernailer]

I refer you to the 2005 Northern Premier League Controversy.

The end of this season saw Spennymoor United fail to fulfil nine of their league fixtures after folding.

The Northern Premier League's Board of Directors met on 24 April 2005 to consider how these unplayed games would be treated in the fairest possible manner to all Premier Division member clubs.

At this meeting it was decided to expunge the record of Spennymoor United from the table.

Subsequent to this meeting the member clubs of Gateshead, Radcliffe Borough, Hyde United and Workington appealed to the Football Association (the FA) against the decision.

One of the grounds of appeal was that the meeting did not have a quorum and the FA recommended that the Northern Premier League withdraw their decision to expunge the record of Spennymoor United from the table and for the issue to be considered by a meeting that had a quorum.

At the emergency board meeting held on 1 May 2005, the Board of the Northern Premier Football League confirmed their decision to expunge Spennymoor United's playing record.

This meeting came a day after the final day of the Northern Premier League Premier Division season where Workington had finished in first place, Hyde United in second (having played 41 games to Workington and Farsley's 42) and Farsley in third.

The confirmation to expunge Spennymoor United's playing record then saw Farsley finish in first place, Hyde United finish in second and Workington finish in third.

Gateshead, Hyde United, Radcliffe Borough and Workington followed up their appeal to the FA and on 4 May 2005 the FA overturned the Northern Premier League Board's decision to expunge the playing record of Spennymoor United.

The FA ruled that the Northern Premier League was bound by an undertaking, duly minuted at its management committee meeting in January 2005, that Spennymoor United would not be expelled, nor its record for the season expunged.

The FA decided that Spennymoor United’s playing record would re-instated into the league records and, in addition, three points would be awarded to other teams for each game outstanding against Spennymoor United, although no goals for or against will be allocated.

Hyde United were one of the teams awarded three points which awarded them the 2004–05 Northern Premier League Premier Division Championship.

So, if the above precedent was followed, then Leek would get their just desserts"

What about an appeal if the verdict goes in Leek"s favour

[HalesowenHarry]

Presumably the decision was made in the knowledge that Eastwood results won't ultimately stand so Leek won't have 3 points to lose, in effect. How is it not getting away with it?

The league have rules in place regarding ineligible players. They have acted as they always do in the majority of the leagues around the country. You lose the points that you won when the player appeared in the games in question. When the game is expunged they wont exist, therefore there are no points to take off. I'll mention it once more, if Eastwood had completed the season Leek would be 3 points worse off. However Eastwood weren't run correctly so they're gone and with it their records. I know we should take 3 points off Leek as they had the nerve to beat us at their place. Tut.
Instead of whinging about every single team in our league why not just concentrate on what we do on the pitch, as I keep being told.

Rant over.

To the Belper fan, not exactly the same thing, Eastwoods record is likely to be expunged, so logic is followed. Plus you hate Leek!

[Noggin]

Thanks for the insight Belpernailer, I was unaware of this particular case.

The normal course of events is that in the sad circumstances where a club has been unable to finish the season that their record is expunged. I think the difference in the case that you refer to is the earlier undertaking that Spennymoor would not have their record expunged and that the other clubs has proceeded on this basis. In the circumstances I believe the FA acted fairly

In the case of Eastwood, there has been no formal decision, but everyone's expectation seems to be that expungation (if there is such a word) will take place in due course

If the rules say the points are removed from Leek for their Eastwood match and that the match is subsequently removed from the record for other reasons I have no argument with that.

To be honest it seems to be petty and misguided for Yeltz fans to be arguing over the grave of Eastwood Town. We were perilously close to being in the same position ourselves not so long ago.

[RaidenYeltz]

Presumably the decision was made in the knowledge that Eastwood results won't ultimately stand so Leek won't have 3 points to lose, in effect. How is it not getting away with it?

The league have rules in place regarding ineligible players. They have acted as they always do in the majority of the leagues around the country. You lose the points that you won when the player appeared in the games in question. When the game is expunged they wont exist, therefore there are no points to take off. I'll mention it once more, if Eastwood had completed the season Leek would be 3 points worse off. However Eastwood weren't run correctly so they're gone and with it their records. I know we should take 3 points off Leek as they had the nerve to beat us at their place. Tut.
Instead of whinging about every single team in our league why not just concentrate on what we do on the pitch, as I keep being told.

Rant over.

To the Belper fan, not exactly the same thing, Eastwoods record is likely to be expunged, so logic is followed. Plus you hate Leek!

I do concentrate on us thank you, I am well aware they beat us on their patch.

I am confident we will win the league regardless of how many illegible payers Leek play.

No matter how you dress it up, they have gotten away with 3 points this season.

[Noggin]

I do concentrate on us thank you, I am well aware they beat us on their patch.

I am confident we will win the league regardless of how many illegible payers Leek play.

No matter how you dress it up, they have gotten away with 3 points this season.

Didn't you post something yesterday about "sour grapes making the best whine"?

When I made the point about arguing over the grave of Eastwood, I was trying to say that I would very much hope that Halesowen supporters were intelligent enough to understand that we should be dignified about the demise of Eastwood Town

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[HalesowenHarry]

No matter how you dress it up, they have gotten away with 3 points this season.

Please explain to me how I've dressed it up?

They'd only have got away with it if they didn't lose 3 points IF Eastwood's season had been completed.