Eastwood, The FA and our club

[Johnny Bud]

With no Eastwood it will be 20 league home games this season

[watsisnerm]

Bear with me while I think out loud so to speak.

Our average attendance is 326.
Let's half that (to account for u-16's free?) to give 163 x £8 which - £1,304 gate receipts per game.

x that by the 22 league home games we have = £28,688.

£3 per person to spend on food/drink, beer, programmes, golden goal etc*

(Again going by the average gate thus far) £3 x 326 = £978, again x by 22 league games = £21,516.

£21,516 + £28,688 = £50,204.

£50,204, I'd guess is what we make a year via match day receipts. Don't know if I'm close, a million miles away, sure I'll be told either way.

Just thinking out load on the spot, sure I've missed something, but just goes to show how hard it is for non-league clubs to run!

Don't mean no harm by the above!

*I don't know whether it's fair to say it would be a fair assumption that you could add £3 at least for each person attendance to cover food, drink and golden goal tickets etc? I'm going to say it's fair, I'll even go as far as to say these figures may be under estimated!

so you going on takings of around £2300 per match? not saying how close you may or not be but dont forget that would be gross, out of that comes costs as mentioned in Bashley post AND you only get the money when at home, still got to pay bills/wages when away.
your figure for the season is only about half of what it takes to run a club like HTFC!

all non league clubs need some one, some people, to put money in, unpaid volunteers etc. in theory the income should dictate the level of club, so higher supported teams get better players but while folks are willing to help their clubs out financially as their `hobby` then that wont happen, in fact there wouldnt be many non league clubs left!
problem comes when a `non supporter` puts too much money in as a status thing (Bilston, Atherstone, sure you know more) then after couple seasons get bored as they werent originally a `in their blood` supporter, leave, usually with high paid contract players and/or other debts left behind that the club cant stand....end of club.

[RaidenYeltz]

Bloody hell I make M**s*n look like Bill Gates with my guesses!

[RaidenYeltz]

Bear with me while I think out loud so to speak.

Our average attendance is 326.
Let's half that (to account for u-16's free?) to give 163 x £8 which - £1,304 gate receipts per game.

x that by the 22 league home games we have = £28,688.

£3 per person to spend on food/drink, beer, programmes, golden goal etc*

(Again going by the average gate thus far) £3 x 326 = £978, again x by 22 league games = £21,516.

£21,516 + £28,688 = £50,204.

£50,204, I'd guess is what we make a year via match day receipts. Don't know if I'm close, a million miles away, sure I'll be told either way.

Just thinking out load on the spot, sure I've missed something, but just goes to show how hard it is for non-league clubs to run!

Don't mean no harm by the above!

*I don't know whether it's fair to say it would be a fair assumption that you could add £3 at least for each person attendance to cover food, drink and golden goal tickets etc? I'm going to say it's fair, I'll even go as far as to say these figures may be under estimated!

so you going on takings of around £2300 per match? not saying how close you may or not be but dont forget that would be gross, out of that comes costs as mentioned in Bashley post AND you only get the money when at home, still got to pay bills/wages when away.
your figure for the season is only about half of what it takes to run a club like HTFC!

all non league clubs need some one, some people, to put money in, unpaid volunteers etc. in theory the income should dictate the level of club, so higher supported teams get better players but while folks are willing to help their clubs out financially as their `hobby` then that wont happen, in fact there wouldnt be many non league clubs left!
problem comes when a `non supporter` puts too much money in as a status thing (Bilston, Atherstone, sure you know more) then after couple seasons get bored as they werent originally a `in their blood` supporter, leave, usually with high paid contract players and/or other debts left behind that the club cant stand....end of club.

I wasn't saying gross profit. Just saying how much money we make. Take my figure and mines the £130k in the above posts, leaves £80k deficit, which presumably comes from sponsorship, investors amd cup winnings.

Like I said highlights to me, personally, how difficult it is for clubs like Halesowen - with good support too.

[Noggin]

Bloody hell I make M a i s o n look like Bill Gates with my guesses!

I've changed the site censorship rules to prevent that name being used After my experiences of this morning I am not a fan of Microsoft either

[BBNOW100]

£2300 per match plus sponsorship packages + advertising around the ground, in the programme etc. BUT how much are the expenses? I'm not being funny, but how much are we paying out? And how much (if anything) are we making in profit to use for future use at the club? I bet it's more than £2300 per match...

[watsisnerm]

£2300 per match plus sponsorship packages + advertising around the ground, in the programme etc. BUT how much are the expenses? I'm not being funny, but how much are we paying out? And how much (if anything) are we making in profit to use for future use at the club? I bet it's more than £2300 per match...

sorry, i dont know where you get those figures from but i can hear the sounds of laughter coming from everyone around the country who runs a non league club..`profit`?!?! (thats except for the ones who are crying of course!)
sorry to be flippant but htfc (as do most clubs) makes a loss even after the income from the gate monies/sponsor/boards/bar/cafe/programmes/etc. the only way to perhaps make a profit would be to not pay players or at least pay a lot less..but would that result in a profit as it would mean a poorer team=less supporters=less income=less profit=pay less=poorer team....well you get the idea...hard, aint it?!
nb with the new grove lounge, moving forward, it gives us another income towards making the loss smaller (or even perhaps the players budget larger?) so its important that, as every penny from the lounge goes to the club, we support it (some still feel that they cant and instead choose to spend their money at rival bars, their choice of course)

[BBNOW100]

£2300 per match plus sponsorship packages + advertising around the ground, in the programme etc. BUT how much are the expenses? I'm not being funny, but how much are we paying out? And how much (if anything) are we making in profit to use for future use at the club? I bet it's more than £2300 per match...

sorry, i dont know where you get those figures from but i can hear the sounds of laughter coming from everyone around the country who runs a non league club..`profit`?!?! (thats except for the ones who are crying of course!)
sorry to be flippant but htfc (as do most clubs) makes a loss even after the income from the gate monies/sponsor/boards/bar/cafe/programmes/etc. the only way to perhaps make a profit would be to not pay players or at least pay a lot less..but would that result in a profit as it would mean a poorer team=less supporters=less income=less profit=pay less=poorer team....well you get the idea...hard, aint it?!
nb with the new grove lounge, moving forward, it gives us another income towards making the loss smaller (or even perhaps the players budget larger?) so its important that, as every penny from the lounge goes to the club, we support it (some still feel that they cant and instead choose to spend their money at rival bars, their choice of course)

You were the one who said we're running on an average gross profit of around £2300. I agree with what you're saying however.

So does anybody actually have an idea what LOSS we are making?

[Noggin]

In fairness I believe that watsisnerm said that he would now say how close the £2300 figure was to reality, and I respect that comment. Given that I asked recently what the proportion of concessions is to the total crowd, I think that the revenue for our average crowd would be significantly below the £2300 figure

Historically, our club has found that total income from gates, draws, advertising etc was pretty well in line with the expenditure to operate the club ie to put on matches. But that is before any players or management staff were paid a penny. Reach your own conclusions on where that money historically came from, but you need not look too far away from the board room

[RobYeltz]

It makes you realise just how much money some people must put into clubs. If you look at some of the teams in our league who struggle to get crowds of 100 it is phenomenal they are even in existence, especially when you consider our wage bill for the players is one of the lowest in the league. Sutton must make a few quid from the rental of their pitch but who else generates income successfully? I suppose a cup run generates prize money, but nobody in our league has done much in that sense. I've been involved in kids coaching, and running a kids/adults teams which ain't cheap, but this is a whole new level!
I think some people forget that bills also need to be paid when we have an away game and like we did a few weeks ago when we had four consecutive away games to play. This must take it's toll on the club too.
The bar obviously generates a few quid, for us, but having a nicer ground than most other clubs means our outgoings on it too are higher!
Luckily, we've been occupied by the superb efforts on the pitch this season, hopefully we can continue to do that and we should concentrate our efforts in supporting the manager, his coaching team and players