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Definately No,
People need to understand where we are and why we are there. We need stability to rebuild the club. Look down the road and what happened at bumblecote, they stabilised the club and SLOWLY rebuilt and progressed as they could AFFORD it, only yesterday there was a post on this forum backing Shaun for starting to introduce players from the Youth team, the same post asked for the fans to support this, 1 game in and 1 defeat people have run out of patience! There's nothing like loyalty is there?

Unfortunately we live in a world where there are too few people prepared to build something solid, most football fans appear to prefer spending someone else's cash, buying instant success then bemoaning the situation when it all goes wrong only to ask what OTHER people will do about it.

ZeeZee wrote:Unfortunately we live in a world where there are too few people prepared to build something solid, most football fans appear to prefer spending someone else's cash, buying instant success then bemoaning the situation when it all goes wrong only to ask what OTHER people will do about it.

For the sake of clarity Zee, are you saying that anyone who thinks that Cunnington is not the man for the job is advocating a return to the Morell M**s*n era of throwing money around that we don't have and playing fast and loose with the club's future? If so, then with the greatest of the respect, I have to say I resent the idea that anyone who expresses concern about the performance of the manager of the club is seen in such a way.

I've said it before, but it obviously bears repeating, I don't care whether the club's weekly budget is £80, £800 or £8000. Whatever it is we should not spend a penny more than we have available but equally I just don't believe Cunnington is the man for the job of spending it. That's my opinion based entirely what I've seen on the football pitch this season and I am entitled to it in the same way that anyone who thinks Cunnington has done a good job is entitled to theirs. What I am not doing is criticising what has gone on off the pitch and the hard work that people (no doubt Cunnington included) have done to re-establish the good name of the club. But it 's a cheap shot to suggest that anyone who raises legitimate concerns about the football we have to pay to watch (those of us that still do) is somehow saying we should buy success and bugger the consequences. If you believe that then I would suggest you don't understand what people are feeling.

I respect anyone's opinion, but this situation is going to take time, chopping and changing isn't the answer, we need stability and continuity. We have some good players and a good crop of youth, by changing management we could go several steps back.

Since Christmas there has been an improvement in results and in performances, what does baffle me is how 400 plus people can pay to watch the football knowing the money is going straight into the back pocket of the owner, where as we get 200 if we are lucky come where an owner has rescued the club, put his hand in his pocket to get the ground to a better state, yes we are in a lower league but for gods sake what's the matter with people???

Myself personally I think a lot of hard work has been done, we are moving forward and we just need to be a little patient. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener, those that do think Shaun should go, just who do you have in mind to come in as a replacement? I put it to everyone, this season has been a test the water season for the club, manager and owner, if we are near the bottom by Christmas then by all means ask the questions, raise concerns etc, but lets give the guy a break and at least let him have a pre season where he hasn't got uncertainty, like last year and can focus with an owner who he works close with and hopefully start the next campaign strongly and follow that up with a positive season!

i do not agree that there has been an improvement since Christmas, we have lost 10 matches in that time, including a spell of 6 in a row, and now 4 of the last 5. Yes we know the money was going into the back pocket of previous owners, but what cannot be disputed is that at that time the quality of football being played was 10 times better than is currently on offer, and it is entertainment people want, especially if we are to attract a new generation of supporters.

dazzlingdazza wrote:This situation is going to take time, chopping and changing isn't the answer, we need stability and continuity. We have some good players and a good crop of youth, by changing management we could go several steps back.

My thoughts exactly - surely this is glaringly obvious?

Just as the club gets back on it's feet and there's a bit of confidence, Shaun must stay.

I'll put this to the loyal Yeltz: who would have expected us to be where we are now at the start of the season? Relegated?
Play-Off places?
Yeah, mid-table does show a bit of "That'll do pig," but I would have grasped that with both hands and put a full Nelson arm-lock on it start of the season.

A few losses towards the end of the season ain't the end of the world... for me this season just gives us a foundation for next


Mind you, that's what this place is for - debate and all that

Simons wrote:Yes we know the money was going into the back pocket of previous owners, but what cannot be disputed is that at that time the quality of football being played was 10 times better than is currently on offer, and it is entertainment people want, especially if we are to attract a new generation of supporters.

Apologies for double-posting but just noticed this and even though I don't agree with the morality of it there may well be a point to it.

Again, I'll ask the Yeltz - would you rather have MM back in the hot seat or give another season for Cunnington?

If the former, what would the gate attendances be like? There ain't a smiley available for "bugger all"

Debate over IMO

yeltzdan wrote:

ZeeZee wrote:Unfortunately we live in a world where there are too few people prepared to build something solid, most football fans appear to prefer spending someone else's cash, buying instant success then bemoaning the situation when it all goes wrong only to ask what OTHER people will do about it.

For the sake of clarity Zee, are you saying that anyone who thinks that Cunnington is not the man for the job is advocating a return to the Morell M**s*n era of throwing money around that we don't have and playing fast and loose with the club's future? If so, then with the greatest of the respect, I have to say I resent the idea that anyone who expresses concern about the performance of the manager of the club is seen in such a way.

I've said it before, but it obviously bears repeating, I don't care whether the club's weekly budget is £80, £800 or £8000. Whatever it is we should not spend a penny more than we have available but equally I just don't believe Cunnington is the man for the job of spending it. That's my opinion based entirely what I've seen on the football pitch this season and I am entitled to it in the same way that anyone who thinks Cunnington has done a good job is entitled to theirs. What I am not doing is criticising what has gone on off the pitch and the hard work that people (no doubt Cunnington included) have done to re-establish the good name of the club. But it 's a cheap shot to suggest that anyone who raises legitimate concerns about the football we have to pay to watch (those of us that still do) is somehow saying we should buy success and bugger the consequences. If you believe that then I would suggest you don't understand what people are feeling.

Dan
Everyone who pays to support the club is entitled to an opinion, I get as disappointed & frustrated by poor results as anyone else, however, there has to be patience and time to rebuild this club has to be allowed, there is currently a much wider picture than results on the pitch, we were never going to rip through the league this season and I would defy anyone to show where that had been promised, it has always been about consolidation.

Exactly 12 months ago Halesowen Town FC was dead, the Trust Board were putting budgets together to form a new club, talks were being held regarding a lease for a ground, the FA had been informed & Supporters Direct were assisting as they have done in several other cases. Shaun Cunnington kept the club alive with NO money, basically taking the club to the end of the season by performing constant mouth to mouth, Shaun Cunnington played a pivitol role in Steve Lynch rescuing what we had, both Steve & Shaun played an equal part in bringing the Trust and club together and putting the club on a life support machine, it is still on that life support machine, at this point, should for whatever reason Steve Lynch withdraw his substantial funding, the life support is switched off.

This club, at some point has to be self sufficient and run by people who understand fully how it ticks, look at history, it was kept going for a long time basically on the backs of Nigel Pitt & Mark Serrell, what happened when they decided they could not continue that level of funding? It directly lead to the wrong type of people getting involved (no blame intended), everything the club (including the Social Club) had built over many years being ripped apart, hence, where we were 12 months ago.

In time it may be that Shaun moves on, moves to another role within the club, takes us to the Conference, we just don't know. But what I do know is right now this club needs people around who know exactly what is required, how the club works and cares about the club, parachute the likes of Harry Rednapp in if you like, they wouldn't have a clue how to manage the current situation.

Comments like 'getting the turnstile roof repaired wont bring people through the turnstiles' shows a clear lack of understanding where the club is and what is required( which shows we must do more to get the message over). There are many urgent jobs that need to be completed around the ground after MANY years of neglect, just ask some of the volunteers. The pitch (and supporters have complained about that) needs a lot of work over the summer, all this costs and it is money that must be spent BEFORE we can start to look at playing budgets.We have a duty to provide a SAFE, comfortable stadium for people to attend, not least because will would lose the ground grading if we didn't!

My role at the club is to represent the supporters (all supporters, not just Trust members) and it is supporters opinion that I take to meetings, not just my own,I have already taken 'thorny' questions into meetings, however, so far very few supporters have engaged, there are exceptions and some very good suggestions have come forward and been taken up (for which we are grateful), Lutley and I don't see eye to eye on some points, it's not a problem, he regularly engages with me and we can have a civilised discussion, that said, our esteemed Lord of the Manor has made attempts on behalf of the club to bring in sponsorship (thanks due again) but unfortunately he came up against the same brick wall that we do on a regular basis, hence he has some idea of what we are up against to rebuild our club.

If people wish to air views, come up with ideas, assist in any way, I am always available at games and by phone/E-Mail (see below). If there is enough interest I will organise an open supporters forum with myself and other members of the management committee, personally I think this would be better as we approach next season but if people want it now then so be it, we can always arrange another for the start of next season. I can only take things up if people talk to me,there will always be differing opinion but what I do know is this club can only move forward if we are all pulling in the same direction.

Owners, players, managers all come and go, the football club is its supporters and the community it serves therefore the ultimate fate of the football club lies with those supporters and community.

yeltztrustrep@hotmail.co.uk
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To suggest that anyone who has a view that questions the present manager wants a return to the days of MM et al is ludicrous, and an insult to those that have the perceived temerity to express their views.!
I'm fed up with the sycophantic allegiance that refuses to accept that we'll soon have double figure gates - and what that means financially - if the quality of football doesn't improve.

Heads out of the sand!